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wrikerjr
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| pakalolo wrote: | | Thanks for the clarification gentlemen. Those who are advocating for gamefish status want the commercial guys out of the equation and want the bass for the rec sector alone, what about the non fishing portion of the populaton who access the resource at the fish market or restaurant? Do you want all of them out of the equation too? Man that's a lot of votes for the politicians who might have to vote on the issue. If the bass are in trouble, shouldn't the user group which impacts the resource the most take the hit first? That's the logical thing to do if you want to help the resource. |
Everyone is certainly entitled to there opinion.
Many states that have representatives on the ASMFC have no commercial fishing (NJ, CT, NH, ME, SC) because they believe it is best of the constituents and so do the politicians who are concerned with the "non fishing portion of the population". Why is that, because they believe the monies raised from the recreational anglers far exceed the monies from commercial fisherman and they understand the resource is a natural resource that needs to be managed or it will go to the verge of extinction.
In my opinion there are many things that need to be looked at when determining changes to a commercial fishery. The first thing is the fishery itself and protecting the fish, 2nd is the monetary support for the local economies. I believe if you look at the dollars generated from recreational fishing for striped bass you will see it far exceeds the commercial side.
I think simply stating that those who want the game fish status want the bass for the recreational anglers alone and want the commercial guy out of the equation is simplifying the equation and not looking at something very important. What is best for the fishery.
I personally believe increasing the commercial or recreation quaota at this point in time would be damaging to the biomass. I am not 100% convinced a decrease in any portion of the fishery is necessary at this time ( i would like to see 2 or 3 more years of data), but I would not support an increase for recreational or commercial fishing quota's.
In relation to your question about if the striper is in trouble shouldn't the user group doing the most damage take the biggest hit (i.e., the recreational). I do not believe that to be accurate. If they need a 20% reduction in the fishing, then the reduction should be across the board for commercial and recreational fisherman. Why do I believe this #1 - monies used to support the local economies from recreational fisherman far exceed the monies from commercial fishing, so the impact would be greater to the local economies. #2 - The fishery split between recreational and commercial is based on science and data that was established in determining the breakdown since the moritorium. Abandoning that data would mean the fishery was mismanaged and i am not positive we are at that point. Data/Stats is always flawed but mismanaged I would not agree with 100%.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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pakulalo they farm stripers for food now
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pakalolo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| wrikejr: Thanks for the rational and well thought out response, that's a breath of fresh air after the BS being spewed here lately. We seem to agree to disagree about whether the sole determining factor is monetary or not and that's ok with me. HEMI: You are welcome to eat farm raised fish that live in their own excrement and takes a prohibitive ammount of feed to reach marketable size, but don't force your beliefs on the rest of the fish eating public. |
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Willy Young
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| wrikerjr wrote: | | pakalolo wrote: | | Almighty one eye: I asked for a clarification of a comment made regarding the definition of game fish. Why jump in with personal insults? Your inane responses here and on other sites does nothing for the organizations you claim to represent. Still looking for the definition of game fish status, anyone?? |
Willy's responses do more for the striped bass than you could imagine as Willy brings the issues to the front for the recreational angler.
Game fish status means that they can not be sold, bartered, etc.. In summary, recreational only no commercial. Many states have commercial bans New york is not one of them. |
Billy I am far from finished. Thanks.
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Marty Listl
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Farm raised trout, bass, talapia and turnips all taste the same.
Billy, I think you're right by not hitting the panic button. There are way too many conflicting scientific studies out today. As far as following the money. The recs say they control the bulk of the money and votes and then complain that the comms buy the polis, I'm confused. |
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wrikerjr
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| Marty Listl wrote: | Farm raised trout, bass, talapia and turnips all taste the same.
Billy, I think you're right by not hitting the panic button. There are way too many conflicting scientific studies out today. As far as following the money. The recs say they control the bulk of the money and votes and then complain that the comms buy the polis, I'm confused. |
Marty,
I hear you on the scientific studies and being confused. I hope you are having a great summer so far.
Willy - Thank you for your hard work.
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Vito Orlando
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:12 am Post subject: Game Fish |
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| Marty Listl wrote: | Farm raised trout, bass, talapia and turnips all taste the same.
Billy, I think you're right by not hitting the panic button. There are way too many conflicting scientific studies out today. As far as following the money. The recs say they control the bulk of the money and votes and then complain that the comms buy the polis, I'm confused. |
Marty you know my thinking about this but I have a question for you. What kind of fish is a Turnip? Will they take a Mag Darter?
Vito
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fishinglsister
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| tiderunner70 wrote: | | Gamefish status does not mean outlawing Bass fishing. However if things continue the way they are we could possibly see another moratorium. Especially if the comm's get a coastwide increase and if they are legally permitted to trawl for Bass in our waters as well. Also poaching is insanely high. We need expanded and stricter enforcement. |
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I disagree! We don't need "expanded" anything, we just need the enforcement people we have to simply do the job they are being paid to do. For example I saw some boats poaching for days on end off a spot I was fishing the beach in Provincetown. I know they were poaching because this was long after the commercial bass season in Ma was closed and these guys were pounding dozens of bass/boat and throwing nothing back. I called the enforcement people every day and they kept giving me someones ("the guy for that area"-which is BS because whenever I see enforcement there they are always in pairs) number who's line went to voicemail. I said this is going on now and I can't deal with this person's voicemail and after a few days they tell me the guy is on vacation-I'll bet he was one of the poachers I was watching!.........JC |
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fishinglsister
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Marty Listl wrote: | | Some fishermen seem to know of wholesale poaching going on and for whatever reason do nothing about it. Why not drop a dime on them and make the DECs job a bit easier? If a few get caught and hammered with fines it will make the the rest of the slobs think twice. |
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Marty, the bigger problem is that "crime pays". Most of the serious poachers have been caught at some point and the ones I know of (that I have reported) were out again the next day. I know of a poacher who sold to a dealer in western LI who was busted with the poachers fish (and others). The same dealer bought from the same poacher the next day!
The only thing that will stop them is if they get shut down on strike two!
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Marty Listl
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Vito, the turnips will take a Mag Darter but only pumpkin color
JC I hear ya. The judge has to swing a bigger hammer. There has recently been some heavy fines in NY, soooo maybe. |
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Vito Orlando
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:21 am Post subject: Game Fish |
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| Marty Listl wrote: | Vito, the turnips will take a Mag Darter but only pumpkin color
JC I hear ya. The judge has to swing a bigger hammer. There has recently been some heavy fines in NY, soooo maybe. |
Just figured out what a Turnip Fish is. I have seen you catch many of them. AKA-Sea Robbins.
Anyone breaking the Conservation Law either Recs or Comms. should and must be punished. The fine should be such that it takes the Chance out of the equation.
Make Striped Bass A Game Fish.
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Marty Listl
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey Vito, why don't you push to have sea robins qualify as a game fish. Then maybe Orvis will come out with the Orlando Signature Series of drop lines to target them. |
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BassNuts
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Marty Listl wrote: | | Hey Vito, why don't you push to have sea robins qualify as a game fish. Then maybe Orvis will come out with the Orlando Signature Series of drop lines to target them. |
Marty...I bought a few of those last week in the Greenvale store...$55.00 each. I think I'll go have another Makers Mark now. Good night.
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Vito Orlando
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:22 am Post subject: Game Fish |
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| Marty Listl wrote: | | Hey Vito, why don't you push to have sea robins qualify as a game fish. Then maybe Orvis will come out with the Orlando Signature Series of drop lines to target them. |
In a few years that's all that will be left Sea Robbins and Bergalls. We can then make both a Game Fish. All fooling aside. We, Recs and Commercials must take a step back and look at what is going on with the Bass Fishery. Both user groups need policing. BTW-Marty, only had a few last night. Those bergalls put up a nice fight though.
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You guys don't know how good you've got it up there. Since I've been down here in the North Myrtle Beach area I haven't seen a fish over ten ounces come out of the surf. I've seen a few Bluefish but the biggest ones are about eight inches long. You can't drive on the beach and if you catch any kind of shark within one mile of the beach you have to cut your line. Not allowed to land them by law. What I wouild give for a monster Searobin.
Get this, if you are in the act of fishing and you have a valid South Carolina drivers licence, you can open carry a loaded hand gun. Also, with a SC drivers licence, you can have loaded pistols in your house and the center console of your vehicle. I've already passed my concealed carry class. Every police officer I've met thinks this is a good idea. So do I.......... 
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